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- From: mlelstv@serpens.rhein.de (Michael van Elst)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.networking
- Subject: Re: New Press Release!
- Date: 18 Mar 1996 09:57:56 +0100
- Organization: dis-
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- mart4372@mach1.wlu.ca (Reg Martin) writes:
-
- >: Of course you can be more productive with Word, but not 100 times as
- >: productive.
-
- >more. Besides, who is to say that you're not being 100x more productive
- >with a P100 than with an XT? There are plenty of things that you simply
- >could not do on an XT that you can do on a P100.
-
- Like entering text, formatting it and printing it ?
-
- >: >There is plenty of software that requires an MMU.
- >: Name two.
-
- >I named thousands doofus. See below:
-
- Smart language you use. You named "Linux or NetBSD", i.e. something that
- noone would buy an Amiga for because the same can be had better with
- cheap PC hardware.
-
- >Not to mention dev tools like Enforcer.
-
- So everyone is suddenly a developer ?
-
- >: Starters do not run Linux or NetBSD and they rarely run it on Amiga hardware
- >: and noone runs it on base machines.
-
- >Of course they don't run it on base Amigas! It's impossible!
-
- It's impossible not only because of the missing CPU. You want a faster CPU,
- more memory and much more disk space.
-
- >I personally know of a few people who own base 1200s and wanted to install
- >NetBSD
-
- Even with an MMU you couldn't install NetBSD on a base 1200. Mainly because
- it doesn't have a hard drive and no fast memory. You need to buy a hard
- drive (easy) and memory (which almost always comes with an accelerator CPU that
- _does_ have an MMU).
-
- >: >and there is a lot of
- >: >software which can benefit from using virtual memory.
- >:
- >: Name two.
-
- >Okay, how about ANY OS friendly program which is not time critical and
- >requires memory?
-
- You should _name_ those apps.
-
- >Anybody who has never got an "Out of Memory" box thrown in their face
- >obviously isn't much of an Amiga user,
-
- ... or has enough memory for the tasks he does.
-
- >: They could do this even faster if someone wrote a real display driver.
-
- >Fine, if you or AT wants to include some "real display driver"s for
- >Emplant and SS, then I'll drop that as part of the MMU argument.
-
- Why don't you ask the SS author ?
-
- >Of
- >course there are still the many other reasons...
-
- You still didn't name one.
-
- >Why do you think? Because an 030/25 is a slow, low-end piece of
- >trash. I speak from experience... I'm using one right now...
-
- Sounds rather as if you had an inferiority complex.
-
- >Everything better is NOT more expensive... $1500 DM is the suggested
- >price tag on the Walker -- a computer which won't hit the shelves until
- >late summer/early fall. Can somebody tell me exactly how much $1500 DM
- >is in US or Canadian money? Somewhere around $1000 US, right? I could
- >buy a P60 for that today, and by the fall I could do even better...
-
- That's what I was pointing out. You cannot sell Amigas at PC prices. If
- you make it better (faster CPU, more memory, better graphics, whatever)
- this will increase the cost beyond even todays pentiums. Today we are
- still cheaper than Pentiums (of course with a much smaller system).
- Fortunately we can do on this smaller system most of the things that
- you do need a Pentium for.
-
- >: >I consider you a myth, now are you going to go away? No, I didn't think so.
- >: That's no answer.
-
- >Thank you for not quoting the "question" which in fact wasn't even a question.
- >That's bordering on a misquote...
-
- And that's truly some attempt to distract.
-
- >You claimed that you consider the fact that 1200 users would like to be
- >able to run SS to be a myth. My point was that just because you're
- >too ignorant to see the truth, doesn't make the truth any less truthfull.
-
- So I am ignorant because you claim something and I don't believe that ?
- Are you the holder of the ultimate truth ? Why didn't you stop the war
- in Bosnia earlier then ?
-
- >I don't know exact prices, but I don't think that even a full 040 or
- >060 would cost $300. Let alone a f#?king MMU for an 030...
-
- That's your problem. If AT _buys_ 040s or 060s at some price that's not
- what the end user has to pay for it and you wouldn't be satisfied with
- just the CPU. They and especially the dealers have to make money and
- any price difference for the parts gives at least thrice that for the
- end-user.
-
- BTW, a 060 does come close to $300 just for the chip.
- --
- Michael van Elst
-
- Internet: mlelstv@serpens.rhein.de
- "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree."
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